Ahmed Deedat – Did Moses write his ‘own death’ in Deuteronomy 34?


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How Could Moses have Written the Book of Deuteronomy When it Contains the Account of His Death?
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Though orthodox Christians and Jews alike argue that Moses wrote the first five books of the Old Testament, some people deny his authorship of the fifth book, Deuteronomy. They do this partly on the grounds that chapter 34 contains the account of Moses’ death.

Since no one can write an account of his own death, they argue, doesn’t this mean the Book of Deuteronomy had to have been written later than the time of Moses?

Probably some orthodox Christians and Jews would attempt to argue that all of chapter 34 in Deuteronomy was written by Moses, although it is possible that the chapter was prophetic. A more plausible explanation is to assume that it was written after the death of Moses, by Joshua. This does not force one to attribute the rest of Deuteronomy to someone besides Moses.

It is quite common that an obituary is placed at the end of a final work by a great author. It would be amazing if the death of Moses weren’t recorded, seeing that his entire life otherwise had been told in great detail. The appearance of the account of Moses’ death in no way affects his authorship of the preceding 33 chapters.

Gleason Archer, A Survey of Old Testament Introduction, rev. ed., Moody Press, 1979

R.K. Harrison, Introduction to the Old Testament, Eerdmans, 1970

About Ahmed Deedat:

Born in the Surat district of India in 1918, Ahmed Hoosen Deedat had no recollection of his father untill 1926. His father a tailor by profession had emigrated to South Africa shortly after the birth of Ahmed Deedat.
• With no formal education and fighting off the extreme pangs of poverty, he went to South Africa in 1927 to be with his father. His farewell to his mother in India in 1927 was the last time he saw her alive for she passed away a few months later.

• In a foreign land, a boy of nine with no formal schooling nor any command of the English language he began preparing for the role he was to play decades later without realizing it.

• Applying himself with diligence to his studies, the little boy not only was able to overcome the language barrier but excelled in school. His avid passion for reading helped him gain promotions until he completed standard 6. Lack of finance interrupted his schooling and at the early age of about 16 he took on the first of many jobs in retailing.
• The most significant of these was in 1936 where he worked at a Muslim owned store near a Christian seminary on the Natal South Coast. The incessant insults of the trainee missionaries hurled against Islam during their brief visits to the store infused a stubborn flame of desire within the young man to counteract their false propaganda.
• As fate would have it, Ahmad Deedat discovered by pure chance a book entitled Izharal-Haq, meaning the Truth revealed. This book recorded the techniques and enormous success of the efforts of Muslims in India in turning the tables against Christian missionary harassment during the British subjugation and rule of India. In particular the idea of holding debates had a profound effect on Ahmed Deedat.
• Armed with this new found zeal, Ahmed Deedat purchased his first Bible and began holding debates and discussions with the trainee missionaries. When they beat a hasty retreat in the face of his incisive counter arguments, he personally called on their teachers and even priests in the surrounding areas to discuss and debate topical issues of the day.
• These successes spurred Ahmed Deedat in the direction of Da’wah. Not even his marriage, birth of Children and a 3 year sohourn to Pakistan after its independence dampened his enthusiasm or dulled his desire to defend Islam .
• With missionary zeal to project the truth and the pure clinical beauty of Islam, Ahmed Deedat immersed hiself into a host of activities over the next three decades. He conducted classes on Bible studies and gave numerous lectures. He established the As-Salaam, an institute to train propagators of Islam. He, together with his family, almost single-handedly erected the buildings including the masjid which is still a landmark today.
• He was a founder member of the Islamic Propagation Centre International (IPCI) and became its President. He has published over 20 books and distributed milions of copies free of charge. He has delivered thousand of lectures all over the world and successfully engaged Christian Evangelists in public debates. Several thousand people have come into the fold of Islam as a result of these efforts.

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49 Comments

  1. Anti Mensonge says:

    Stupidity over 9000

  2. D O says:

    Subjectively speaking, we can make a holy scripture out of an owners manual of a dishwasher. But we shouldn’t think subjectively because that leads to a lot of problems like these that can’t be solved! Love Deedat, he opened a lot of peoples eyes. May Allah(SWT) forgive his shortcomings and grant him Jannatul Firdaus.

  3. Essa khan says:

    Ahmad Deedat (May Allah be pleased with Him)
    Was only 6th standard passed student, After he left education.
    And still he confused, debated and defeated the high scholars and priests of Christianity.
    This is the power from the heavens given to Ahmad Deedat.
    May His soul rest in peace.
    I'm intending to offer one umrah for him soom InshAllah.

  4. zerototal energy says:

    god doesn't write books ..men do… wake up morons..!

  5. Cheryl Delos_reyes says:

    Did my aunt flew donkey like Mohammad.
    Muslim believe in a fault prophet that fly donkeys to heaven.
    He stop at buger king an order some fries .How can a man Like Muhammad fools one billion muslin.
    That greatest con on the world

  6. Milad Ahmad says:

    Who recites the Quran at the end?

  7. Dharwan Dhani says:

    What is the name of the qari who is reciting quran in the last

  8. Meshkat Chowdhury says:

    One Ahmed Deedat is enough to expose illogical claims of Jews and Christians that present Torah and Bible are the words of God. They are living in myth that their books would guide them to salvation. The more they defend their books, the more they they are caught in paradoxes. What a pity!

  9. Hosea 7.2 says:

    Dear Ahmed Debatte what do you think about this Video?
    https://youtu.be/ix0NvrksQr0
    About Mekka Ismael and the Bibel here is a Jew that is saying something interesting his Name is Abi Linkin Study his Biografie.

  10. Barrie Smith says:

    I thought this was about the koran no one seems to know who wrote it

  11. Prada Miant says:

    salem a.y.

    you blinded by your stupid liar ahmed deedat who dare to blaspheme The Almighty God as mighty KINGKONG.

  12. ADEL RAAD says:

    Too many buthurts Christians and Jew's in here lol

  13. butcherbub07 says:

    Al salaamu alaykum please some one give me a name for the qari at the end of the vid

  14. Prada Miant says:

    why ahmed deedat is the biggest looser of our time ???
    this is the answer :

    * Deedat ahmed is the only man in the world who dare to BLASPHEME The Almighty God as a MIGHTY KINGKONG!!!
    in front of million people around the world.

    And
    ahmed deedat is the only man in the world who dare to insult The Lord Jesus not died but was just unconsious on the cross .
    This mockery deedat launched exactly on the most sacred GOOD FRIDAY/easter where christian/catholic around the world celebrate the death and resurection The Lord Jesus Christ.

    30 days later ….sudenly deedat became MUTE and totaly paralyzed for full unbelieveable
    9 YEARS.

    GOD ALMIGHTY DONOT LIKE TO BE MOCKED/INSULTED.

    DEEDAT DESERVED IT.

    I hope nobody ever dare to follow deedat's arrogant and stupid act.

  15. Brother Tye says:

    Wrong. This is why muslim scholars should put down the bible and stick to their own religion.

    1. Moses spoke to god and god repented

    2. Moses was pharaohs god and aaron was his prophet

    3. Moses was put inside a rock

    4. Moses was seen standing next to jesus hundreds of years later

    5. Moses wrote all of that, included the intimate details of his leaving.

    You talk about moses and know nothing about him. His message was never for you.

  16. johnny cash says:

    he smart allah bless him.. if they tell us who the 3rd person is they would have to expose the source.

  17. Adamzy 16 says:

    Its fair to say probably Joshua wrote Chapter 34 of Deuteronomy

  18. Seer Nineveh says:

    Katari Kazuki11 hours agoHighlighted reply
    Seer Nineveh…CONTRADICTIONS YOU SAID?? EXPLAIN THIS..WHICH IS WHICH?? 2 samuel 24:1 Again the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, "Go and take a census of Israel and Judah."…. 1 chronicles 21:1 Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.2 So David said to Joab and the commanders of the troops, “Go and count the Israelites from Beersheba to Dan. Then report back to me so that I may know how many there are.”
    ANSWER / REPLY:
    Definitely, QURAN is not teaching the Power Of God and who GOD IS AS IT IS WRITTEN ACCORDING TO THE HOLY BIBLE. Your QURAN is really a different book written by a false prophet named MUHAMMAD.

    Well, to proceed, have you not read in the BOOK OF JOB how GOD and SATAN were talking and GOD COMMANDED SATAN TO GO ON WITH HIS PLAN TO SIFT AND TRY JOB?

    ALL OF US ARE GOD’S SERVANTS ACCORDING TO THE HOLY BIBLE BUT THIS IS NOT YOUR GOD! YOUR GOD IS DIVISIVE AND RACIST FOR THE GOD OF THE HOLY BIBLE IS ONLY ANGRY AT SIN AND NOT AT PEOPLE, PER SE! HE DESTROYED NATIONS BECAUSE THESE WERE ALL ABOMINABLE, THEN, AND INCORREGIBLE!

    Psalms 119: 90 Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.
    Psalms 119:91 They continue this day according to thine ordinances: for all are thy servants.

    NOW, HAVING SET THE PREMISE THAT SATAN IS A SERVANT OF GOD IT IS BUT A CINCH TO ANSWER YOUR ABOVE DISPLAY OF CONFUSION! A CONFUSION BROUGHT ABOUT BY QURAN!

    KATARI KAZUKI! THE TWO VERSIONS OF THE STORY AS WRITTEN BY TWO WITNESSES (THE WRITER OF THE BOOK OF 2 SAMUEL AND THE WRITER OF THE BOOK 1 CHRONICLES) CONFIRMS THAT SATAN IS THE SERVANT OF GOD! SO WHEN GOD WAS ANGERED GOD INCITED DAVID BY SENDING SATAN SO THAT THE SAYING, “SATAN ROSE UP AGAINST ISRAEL!” READ WITH THE SPIRIT OF UNDERSTANDING!

    READ THE BIBLE NOT YOUR QURAN SO YOU MAY LEARN YOU IDIOT! READ ALSO THE STORY OF AHAB'S DEATH AT RAMOTH-GILEAD ( I WILL NOT MAKE IT EASY FOR YOU – SEEK THE SCRIPTURES OF THE HOLY BIBLE, ALSO, SO YOU WILL COME TO UNDERSTAND)!

    GOD SENT LYING SPIRITS TO THE PROPHETS OF AHAB TO PERSUADE HIM TO GO TO WAR AND DIE THERE! THIS WAS BECAUSE WAS ANGRY WITH KING AHAB!

    IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, THIS ACT OF GOD DID NOT CHANGE! GOD SENT THE DEVIL TO ENTER INTO JUDAS ISCARIOT SO HE CAN PERFORM THE ACT TO BETRAY JESUS AND CONSUMMATE THE PLAN FOR JESUS TO DIE ON THE CROSS!

    AGAIN, THIS STORY OF CRUCIFIXION IS VEHEMENTLY BEING DENIED BY YOUR DEAD MEAT DEEDAT AND SUCKER NIKE MAKING THE GOD OF THE HOLY BIBLE A LIAR! ARE YOUR FALSE TEACHERS AND PROPHET MUHAMMAD GREATER THAN GOD?

    FOOLISH KATARI! YOU WILL HAVE TO READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURES AND DEPART FROM YOUR FALSE QURAN BEFORE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REALLY ASSIMILATE AND UDERSTAND THE TRUTH THAT IS IN THE HOLY BIBLE (THOUGH A PAST TRUTH). YOU ARE PROUD AND HIGHMINDED TYPICAL OF A MUSLIM LIKE DEEDAT AND SUCKER NIKE!

  19. Seer Nineveh says:

    JESUS ALL THE TIME IN THE BIBLE IS ASSERTING HIS POWER AND SHOWING HIS POWER TO HIS DISCIPLES! HE IS THE LORD OF SABBATH, MEANING, HE IS THE LAW HIMSELF AND HE DECLARES THE THINGS THAT ARE RIGHT, HENCE, HE REPROVED THE HYPOCRITES TRYING TO CONFRONT HIM OF THE BREAKING OF THEIR TRADITIONS (JEWISH TRADITION)!

    THE POINT OF JESUS IS NOT HE AND HIS DISCIPLES ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW OR ANY TRADITION AND THAT IS HIS POWER WHICH THE SCRIBES AND THE PHARISEES CANNOT ACCEPT! ANOTHER IS WHEN JESUS FORGAVE THE SINS OF THE BLIND MAN! THEY THEN ASK WHO IS HE (JESUS CHRIST) THAT CAN FORGIVE SIN?

    IF YOU WANT TO INTERPRET THE HOLY BIBLE RIGHTLY INTERPRET IT IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN YOUR OWN CARNAL MIND BEING A NATURAL MAN!

    1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    TRULY, YOUR QURAN IS TEACHING ANOTHER GOSPEL, AND ANOTHER JESUS THERE IS NO WAY YOU CAN LINK YOUR QURANIC JESUS WITH THE HOLY BIBLE JESUS CHRIST OF THE CHRISTIANS!

    IT IS FUTILE TO MAKE A ROPE OUT OF A SAND!

  20. Seer Nineveh says:

    KATARI KAZUKI: YES THE HOLY BIBLE IS A BOOK OF WITNESSES OF GOD UNLIKE YOUR QURAN WHERE THERE IS NO WITNESS BUT MUHAMMAD WHO GREETS HIMSELF GOOD MORNING! CAN YOU GREET YOURSELF GOOD MORNING? I MEAN, IT IS A VERY ODD BOOK! THAT IS YOUR QURAN! BELIEVING THAT MUHAMMAD FLEW ON A DONKEY FROM MECCA TO JERUSALEM AND THE ONLY WITNESS IS THE DONKEY! POOR QURAN!

  21. Seer Nineveh says:

    darkness2noor DO NOT DELETE MY COMMENTS IT IS FOR YOUR LEARNING TOO!

  22. Seer Nineveh says:

    OBVIOUSLY, MOSES DID NOT WRITE BUT A WITNESS IN HIS TIME DID IT BECAUSE THE BIBLE IS A BOOK OD WITNESSES UNLIKE QURAN WHICH IS A DANGEROUS BOOK BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN BY A SINGLE PERSON AND HIS PRONUNCIATIONS ARE AGAINST THE WITNESSES OF JESUS OF WHICH MUHAMMAD WAS NEVER A WITNESS BEING BORN 600 YRS AFTER JESUS ASCENDED TO HEAVEN! MUHAMMAD'S VERSION OF JESUS IS THE FALSE ONE GET IT?

  23. THANK YOU says:

    Islam is the only true religion for us all.Don't judge it based on the bad deeds of some Muslims.Study it deeply without any prejudice and decide.

  24. Ratbox says:

    אמר מר יהושע כתב ספרו ושמונה פסוקים שבתורה תניא כמאן דאמר שמונה פסוקים שבתורה יהושע כתבן דתניא (דברים לד, ה) וימת שם משה עבד ה' אפשר משה (מת) וכתב וימת שם משה אלא עד כאן כתב משה מכאן ואילך כתב יהושע דברי ר"י ואמרי לה ר' נחמיה
    The Gemara elaborates on the particulars of this baraita: The Master said above that Joshua wrote his own book and eight verses of the Torah. The Gemara comments: This baraita is taught in accordance with the one who says that it was Joshua who wrote the last eight verses in the Torah. This point is subject to a tannaitic dispute, as it is taught in another baraita: “And Moses the servant of the Lord died there” (Deuteronomy 34:5); is it possible that after Moses died, he himself wrote “And Moses died there”? Rather, Moses wrote the entire Torah until this point, and Joshua wrote from this point forward; this is the statement of Rabbi Yehuda. And some say that Rabbi Neḥemya stated this opinion.

  25. voysa1 says:

    Haaa!! Moses was writing as per the dictation of a third person. That person is God. How difficult it was to understand? Moses wrote prophetically about his death and the Lord inspired him to write.

  26. voysa1 says:

    CAN ISLAM GIVE SALVATION?
    Dear Muslims, if you die now, will you go to heaven? Does your religious work like praying,marching, bowing. standing, studying, kissing, circling, shouting religious chants and throwing stones give you salvation?

  27. Bridge Namitabo says:

    Ahmmed Deedat-Postor-Did Moses

  28. SEDA SULTAN says:

    I LOVE AHMED DEEDAT!!!!!

  29. Syeda Alina says:

    My hero

  30. Ozgan says:

    PROVERS 20-1
    EPHESIANS 5-18
    you shouldn't drink alcohol but even priests and the methodology of Christianity does drink alcohol

    DEUTERONOMY 14-8
    LEVITICUS 11:-7-8
    You shouldn't have pork because it's unclean which means God has prohibited not to eat but 100% of Christians do eat pork!

    MATTHEW 4-1
    Then was Jesus pbuh led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the Devil.
    How can Devil tempted God when God is all powerful to him belongs all sovereignty he is over all things Omnipotent, according to the bible in JAMES 1-13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I'm tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man:

    FINALLY
    God he was not born he always exist,
    Jesus pbuh was born in Luke 2-21
    He was eight days old when he was circumcised and was named Jesus which mean Jesus can never ever in a million years be God, and Muslims 100% get circumcised
    Christians 0% get circumcised therefore We Muslim more Christians than Christians themselves
    Muslim doesn't drink alcohol, doesn't eat pork
    Christian does drink alcohol and eat pork,

    This is why I left Christianity and embraced Islam

    THANK YOU FOR READING IT MAY GOD GUIDE YOU ALL TO THE STRAIGHT PATH AND THAT IS ISLAM AMEEN

  31. Sara Sohaib says:

    Miriam wrote it

  32. Sara Sohaib says:

    Self-exaltation Miriam deceiver not my prophet

  33. BigCoolViking. G.S. says:

    That man is a clever fool, with the wisdom of Satan.

  34. Asia Grey says:

    A dictator wrote the bible.

  35. Max Tan says:

    Deuteronomy 34 is clear. Moses die at the age of 120 years old and explain clearly about God wisdom of his death and how it would be and where it would be but not the exact spot.
    No problem and pretty clear.

    This Ahmed Deedat just want to be famous. Therefore comes out with own ideology as if he is clever.

    What a shame if Muslim believe his teaching. Allah will punish you. Said in the Quran. Liar.

  36. acee cincin says:

    great man educated in Leonard men

  37. acee cincin says:

    I love. Ahmad dedat

  38. Murasame Raiga Oishi says:

    How can Moses write his own death and said:i died on this places … Nonsense !!!

  39. GENESIS 3 says:

    WHO WROTE THE BOOKS? – IS A GOOD QUESTION. BUT MORE IMPORTANT IS TO ASK – WHY ? What is the problem with  this kind of topic – in the discussion here? Of course everything that has ever been written – about what is being said happened, – has always been written by somebody  and in this case – there is never anything supernatural involved with this, in and of itself. Of course – what was written after whatever happened – is just storytelling. If it´s facts – it is impossible to prove – it could be true (or at least some of it), – but it can also have another purpose than just historical fact, and still be important and something to live by. If you and I are going to believe something that is written for ex 1/ WHO wrote what – and  2/ HOW it was done – and 3/ WHEN it was done, – is determined by how much emphasis we put on having clear proof of this.

  40. Anjali Rhea says:

    Joshua wrote bout Moses death.. stupid fellow dunno that

  41. Tommex Wijs says:

    Hahahaha stupid old man false teacher

  42. Saeed Iqbal says:

    @DARKNESS2NOOR
    THIS IS FULL VIDEO OF YOUR UPLOADED VIDEO


  43. Soccer God says:

    If anyone now how Moses died plz tell me

  44. Ricky Des Safry says:

    sometimes your video is amazing in a way, putting an ayat at the end to explain the kuffar doing with what they do.. Allah SWT explain exaltingly but if I want to put in a comedy show about what Allah SWT said on kuffar , it's really funny in a way (because it's true) LOL
    BTW can you give me the name of the reciter

  45. Ryu Jin says:

    By Allah…..Ahmed Deedat was a Perfect Scholar

  46. Sadeq.M Islam says:

    if anyone want to know what lord almighty has to say to us than just try to listen "Quran" recitations with English translation through this link :

    Also in addition if you want, you can download the free Quran with English translation apps in your smart phone through below link too : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ibacs.englishquran.v01&hl=en

  47. Vinci walehan says:

    Yup so which Quran are you using O Deedad. Is it the Hafsah Codex based on Calipha Uthman or  the Quran based on Calipha Ali Ibni Abi Talib?.
    Mohamad claim that Allah will protect His words, thus Calipha Uthman believe that that Muslim who has the word of Allah by heart would be protected, but when many died in the battlefield he realize that the Word of Allah would be lost, thus the beginning of the compilation into the Holy Quran.

    The bible are compilation of History of the of God's dealing with the Hebrews, poetry in songs of Solomon Pophecy in books of Daniel and Revelation , and oincidently Revelation 9 is about the rise of Islam and the time given it. The apostasy of Christianity from the time of Emperor Constantine to the man of sin, (Papacy who reign for 1260 years(AD538 – 1798AD) This is paganism under the cloak of Christianity, claimng there is no salvation outside itself canonizing dead popes as Saints and with power to forgive sin. Only God can forgive Sin. Did She not change the Sabbath to Sunday and removing idol worship from Exodus 20:4 and Exodus 20:8.
     The same intolerance is manifested towards other religion as Islam is created by the Jesuit Order of Catholism. And Mohammad is indoctrinated that the Christian change their bible when She was the one that did so. Why did the Vatican allow a mosque to be built in the Vatican?

  48. Sami A says:

    I understand what you're saying Castle of Thoughts. I think the problem is that the vast majority of jews and christians consider the old and new testament to be the "Word of God" as the Muslims claim, but rather, it seems to be more of a collection of tradition and accounts that were recorded through history, with bits and pieces of things that seem authentic.

    I understand the example of the author and his wife, but in this case, we dont exactly know WHO wrote the account of the death of Moses (May God's Peace be upon Him) into his books. There is speculation that Joshua may have, or another one of the scribes, but that remains a mystery, which reduces the authenticity of the work as a whole. If this was written in as a note to accompany the "book of Moses", and we dont have conclusive proof about who that person, or persons, was, then how can you trust the book? Furthermore, the statement that No Prophet arose as great as Moses has risen up in Israel since, means parts of the book were written, quite possibly, hundreds of years afterwards, when other Prophets had risen in Israel, and a comparison could be made.

  49. Castle Of Thoughts says:

    Moses served as a copyist, a man who recorded what he heard from The Lord. In that sense are these The 5 Books of Moses. Common sense tells most people that the account describing the death of Moses was added by a scribe, just as when the wife of an author who died just before finishing his book, finishes writing her husband's book. She does not have to explain to his readers, that she, and not the author's decaying corpse.. wrote of the author's death at the end of the book.

    The 5 books of Moses would lose their poetic form and nature if Moses wrote of his interaction with The Lord using "I" and "He" and "Me and "Him" and "We". How would such passages be quoted from with any understanding? How would such passages ever be understood… how could they be used to instruct new followers if the verses read: "And so I said to The Lord…"  (WHO said to The Lord?)  or  "And so The Lord said to ME…"   (Who is  "ME"?)   No. The names need to be quoted so that the reader and especially the listener who cannot see the text… knows at all times, exactly WHO is speaking to The Lord, and who is hearing from The Lord. Anything else would lead to confusion! Instead, as hearers, we are blessed, not with contradiction, but with 700 clear statements from The Lord who dictated His Holy Word to Moses for our understanding.